Rubik is a Forensic Accountant & Greeting Card Writer & Children’s Book Author
Rubik Yeriazarian talks about his passion for writing accountant themed greeting cards and children’s books! He talks about how this hobby has helped him improve his marketing skills, why it’s important to have something outside of work, and his experience in opening up about his hobby in the office!16
• Getting into writing greeting cards and children’s books
• How his work in writing greeting cards and children’s books helped improve his marketing skills
• “Market Day” at his firm
• Why it is important to have something to do outside of work
• Why it is on the organization to create a culture at work
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Welcome to Episode 341 of What’s Your “And”? This is John Garrett and each Wednesday, I interview a professional who, just like me, is known for a hobby or a passion or an interest outside of work.
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This week is no different with my guest, Rubik Yeriazarian. He’s a Forensic Accounting and Litigation Support Principal at Briggs & Veselka in Houston, Texas. Now, he’s with me here today. Rubik, thanks so much for taking time to be with me on What’s Your “And”?
Rubik: Thanks for having me, John. I can think of no better way to spend my PTO than talking to you about accounting and hobbies.
John: There you go. I don’t even know what charge code — yes, you have to PTO this. Oh, man! You know what? I might just talk to Briggs & Veselka. We’ll see what we can do. We can get you these 30 minutes back. There you go. Yeah, but I start out with my rapid fire questions.
John: Yeah, so here we go. Do you prefer more hot or cold?
John: Hot. Okay. Well, Houston, that makes sense. How about a favorite color?
John: Green. Nice. How about a least favorite color?
Rubik: Oh man. Yellow.
John: Yellow. Okay.
Rubik: Yeah, yellow. It’s like waffling in between red or green. What’s up with yellow? Make a decision.
John: Right. Okay. How about a favorite actor or actress?
Rubik: I really like Adam Sandler mainly because of the “You Don’t Mess with the Zohan” movie, just a personal favorite of mine just from all the gratuitous use of hummus throughout it.
John: Nice. Okay. Oh, that’s so fantastic. He’s also a really nice guy, which makes it cool. Would you say you’re more of an early bird or a night owl?
Rubik: I used to be night owl, but I have a one-year-old and a three-year-old, so more of an early bird now. If I’m awake, it’s going to be more in the morning. I tend to pass out on the couch by ten o’clock if it’s getting late.
John: Yeah, I hear you, man. Yeah, that would be tough. How about puzzles? Sudoku or crossword?
John: Crossword. Okay. How about chocolate or vanilla?
John: Chocolate. Okay. All right. If you had to choose, Star Wars or Star Trek?
Rubik: Star Wars. I never got into Star Trek. I’ve seen Star Wars, but I’m not a huge fan of both of them. I can identify characters, but — yeah.
John: I can identify more of the Star Wars characters for sure because I’ve seen maybe, I don’t know, two Star Trek. Maybe one movie, one episode of the show, so yeah, I’m similar. How about your computer, PC or Mac?
Rubik: I use a PC for all work-related stuff, but then I have a Mac for my hobby stuff, so a little bit of both.
John: Wow! Ambidextrous, I like that, man. That’s impressive.
Rubik: Macs suck for Excel though, so I don’t advise anyone to use Microsoft Excel on a Mac. I still can’t figure some stuff out on why it’s different.
John: It is weird. How about a favorite ice cream flavor?
Rubik: Oh, man. I can’t go wrong with just vanilla and putting some toppings on it.
John: Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, toppings though, that’s where it’s at. That’s for sure. All right. How about a favorite adult beverage?
Rubik: I like making an old fashioned, so some whiskey or rye, mix it up. That’s my one cocktail that I’m more than decent at making, so that’s my go to.
John: There you go. I like that. How about suit and tie or jeans and a T-shirt?
Rubik: Pre-pandemic? Now, shoot, I haven’t put my suit on in six to seven months, so I hope it fits next month when I have to go to a trial.
John: That’s so funny. Yeah, I actually had to put my suit on a little bit ago and it didn’t have elastic. It was kind of like, these aren’t gym shorts, so I’m not sure. We’ll see. Yeah, that’s so funny. How about balance sheet or income statement?
Rubik: Let’s go income statement. Yeah.
John: All right. There it is. That’s the money. How about what’s a typical breakfast?
Rubik: Typical breakfast for me, I’ll usually do some kind of — not cereal, but now, I’ve been doing it with yogurt or peanut butter. When I’m at home, I get some kind of grain and some fruit in it. Once I start going back in the office though, it’ll probably be something a lot worse for my body. For now, it’s something that feels pretty healthy. It’ll be $12 to have a nice brunch every time probably.
John: Right. Exactly. Yeah, but you eat at home, so that’s even better. Three more. Do you have a favorite number?
John: No? Oh, just positive ones or negative ones?
Rubik: As an accountant, you’ve got to like everything, right? You can’t be biased towards numbers, so you’ve got to treat them all equally.
John: Okay. All right. Just in case they’re listening, we like all of you, so we’re good. How about with my book being out, Kindle or real books?
Rubik: Oh, man, I like Audible. I haven’t done Kindle yet, but I like Audible because if I read too much, I fall asleep. That’s why I like children’s books because they’re 12 pages, but Audible is great. So if you want to record a copy where you can read it to me, it’ll be easier for me to really listen to and focus on.
John: Okay. Yeah. My book will be coming out with the Audible in early part of next year, so there we go. The last one, favorite thing you have or the favorite thing you own.
Rubik: I just recently got a real awesome printer. It’s an Epson EcoTank ET-15000. To you, it means nothing, but to me, it’s really awesome. I can’t even explain all the awesomeness of it. Maybe it’s because my past printer was kind of crappy, but it really goes well with printing out cards and stuff.
John: That’s great. Yeah, it’s like the Lamborghini of printers. Yeah, whatever it is, that’s awesome, man. Very cool.
Rubik: When the kids get close to it, I just tense up. I’m like, “Don’t even think about it.”
John: Right. Very cool, man. Well, that dovetails perfectly into your “and” with the greeting cards and then the book as well. How did that get started?
Rubik: I have a three-year-old and a one-year-old, so I’ve read a ton of children’s books over the past three years. Some of them I read and I’m just like, “This is dumb. I can do better than this.” I was thinking about it would be great if there was a book I could read my kids that has to do with accounting or financial literacy somehow, but not too deep into it so they’re not like, “Well, I don’t know, Dad. This doesn’t make sense to me” to where it’s kind of a children’s book, but it has some jokes in there, but also for the parent to enjoy. I thought, you know what, one day, I sat down and said, “Let me just start writing down accounting jokes. What are some accounting puns I can think of?” It took me a while to think of a main character, and one day, I said, “What if there was a general whose name was General Ledger and he was the hero?”
Rubik: From that point, it started building out and I was like, I’m doing it. All right. Cool. It was over a year that I had been working on it and just had a little notebook. I was jotting down ideas in. That was my main motivation at first. The greeting cards complement it, but I’ve always liked greeting cards. I’m the guy who will spend 30 minutes in the aisle at Target looking at all the cards, trying to find the perfect one, put one back, put another, get another one. You just want that moment where you hand the card to someone and you’re looking at them like, “Did you read it? Isn’t that perfect?” They look at you like, “Oh my gosh, how did you find it? This card is perfect.”
John: Right, and you’re like, “I made it.”
Rubik: Yeah. Now, I can say, “Hey, let me create those perfect card moments.” So when accountants are giving cards to accountants or if an accountant is getting a card from a non-accountant, they can fully appreciate the accounting humor in the card.
John: That’s awesome, man. I love that. That’s so great because you’re like — I don’t even think that existed or does exist, or if it’s an accounting joke, it’s going to be — I don’t know. It’s just lame. This isn’t even a good one. This is written by a non-accountant.
Rubik: Right. The ones that you would have at some kind of card store is probably going to do some riff on the IRS and that’s pretty much it because they assume every accountant does taxes and there’s no other — I mean, we do other things clearly based on all the other people you’ve spoken to on your podcast.
John: Like embezzle. That’s definitely more lucrative. No, I’m kidding.
Rubik: Some do.
John: It’s a joke that I had on stage. We don’t all do taxes. Some of us prefer to embezzle. That’s just a joke that I had. That’s just super cool, man, but it started with a book. That was pretty much what — the General Ledger is what started it?
Rubik: Yeah. It started just with my desire to do a book. I actually several years ago had an interest in doing a side business in greeting cards, but I never really found a way to make it work. I was trying to come up with ideas, but nothing really, and my mind was like, “Yeah, this isn’t going to work out. This isn’t feasible.” Then as I was developing the book, I was like, “You know what? A lot of these jokes, I can parlay into cards as well.” Then I said, “You know what? Let it just all be accounting-related. Let me fully embrace the accounting nerd inside of me.” I’d have a captive audience, so that would make it easier to market it to a group of people.
An accountant will see something like this and I get a lot of laughs from accountants when they see the book or some of the cards, which if I just do a generic card, no one’s going to say, “Oh, that’s a great card” that says “Have a great day” or something, but if it has an accounting joke built in then you’re automatically going to get a better reaction from it from an accountant, at least.
John: Totally. That’s so great, man. That’s so great. Brian Regan had a bit — a really great comedian — of when he first had a kid. He opens the children’s book and it’s, “The clock. The clock. The clock goes tick. The clock goes tock. The end, 1995.” He’s like, “Who’s writing this? What the hell.” You’re like, “I can write this” and you did. I think that’s really cool. Have you heard from people that have gotten the cards or gotten the book? That’s got to feel really rewarding to hear their reaction to what you’ve created.
Rubik: Yeah. Well, when I see a sale come in, I’m like, oh my gosh. They’re not just looking at a picture of it in a social media post. They’re actually saying, “Take my money. I don’t want to just look at this virtually on my screen. I want to hold it and I might want to read it to my children” or have someone else read it to their children. I remember the first sale that came through. I was like, oh my gosh, what do I do? Okay. I’m going to package it here. My wife was looking at me like, “I think you should put some more tape on that postage label on the envelope just to make sure it gets there.”
Now, that’s a lot easier of a process, but it was certainly exciting to see just the reaction that I get from people not only when they want to buy it, but then I’ll see people send me messages or share some of my posts and say, “Oh, it’s so great that someone’s doing something like this” or “These are really great.” It’s just a good feeling knowing that yeah, there are people that appreciate this. It’s not just me.
John: Yeah, that’s really fantastic. Would you say that any of this gives you a skill that you bring to work at all?
Rubik: Really it made me look at marketing a lot more and just understanding too the digital marketing. I know that’s something that we look at work-wise before I got into all this stuff, but now when I post something and I’m looking at it and saying, “Okay, let me look on LinkedIn. I got this many views and this many likes and shares” or whatever, okay. What was up with this one that this one did better than that post? So as we do things work-wise when we’re putting out some of our own work-related marketing content, I’m a little more aware of that stuff now to say okay, let’s be able to look at that to see what works, what doesn’t work when we’re trying to sell forensic accounting.
John: Wow. Yeah, I didn’t even think of that. Plus, I guess just that creative side, you’re able to make that ad just not so stale. It’s still forensic accounting. It’s what you’re selling, so you can’t have this Apple ad or something like that, but you can also just a little bit outside the box to make it not look like everyone else’s ad type of thing because you have a different lens that you’re looking through.
Rubik: Yeah. We just have to know who the user is. I have a much more defined user on my greeting card and children’s book business, but then with forensic accounting, we have to think about okay, if an attorney is going to see this advertisement, are they going to say, “I completely understand. I need to pay these people money” or if an attorney’s client sees it, we have to think about it a different way. But I’m a big data guy, too, so I just know now that okay, here’s all the data that’s available through those social media metrics and analytics that we can look at and evaluate on what’s working and what’s not working.
John: Yeah. That’s cool, man. That’s great because it’s a muscle that you’re exercising outside of work. I’m sure at no point — I’m going to bet a ton of all my money actually that at no point in your business education did anyone say write a children’s book or make greeting cards because it’ll make you better at forensics accounting.
Rubik: No, I don’t think so. Maybe someone said, “Hey, if you need to consider quitting your day job, maybe go write a book or something” but they didn’t get into the specifics.
John: No, that’s cool. I would imagine your appreciation for printers has also gotten way up.
Rubik: Oh, yeah. You have no idea. I had a printer just at home that my mother-in-law had gotten us five years ago, and we never print anything at home. It’s this printer with full ink and everything. A year ago actually, we had an event at the office. It was Market Day and people could come in and bring in some crafts or whatever.
John: Oh, that’s cool.
Rubik: If they have a side hobby, bring it in and sell it in the firm. That was the first time I printed these greeting cards and I just busted out that old printer. I said, “Well, okay, this is what I have. It might not be that good,” but it actually was decent. It was really good. It’s nowhere near my new fancy toy now.
John: The 15,000.
Rubik: That’s right. Yeah, the other one wasn’t even like 2000.
John: That’s hilarious. That’s such a cool thing that the firm did. It sounds like Briggs & Veselka where if you make something then bring it in and share it. It’s almost like show-and-tell, flea market style. Sell it. That’s cool. I would imagine that that had to open up some eyes for some people, and even people that you didn’t even know did other things as well.
Rubik: Oh, for sure, yeah. I looked around the room and at first, I went in and I decided — when they sent out the email about it, I said, “Oh, you know what? I’m either going to do it or I’m never going to do this thing, so let me design one.” I designed one. It was right around Christmas. It was beginning of December, so I made one Christmas greeting card with an accounting joke on it. I said I’m just going to print out 20 of these. I’m going to try to sell these. If no one buys them, if everyone says these are dumb then forget about it. If they sell then okay, I’m onto something.
John: That’s a lot of pressure on your co-workers.
Rubik: Yeah. I was selling it up. I was targeting all the tax folks because it was a tax joke on my card and I sold out. Now, it was intimidating because I look around the room and people have this whole setup they’re bringing in. They’re like, “I have a tablecloth. I have a banner” and this and that. I’ve got like a shoebox with 20 greeting cards in it and a few dollars of change in case someone pays with a five. What am I doing here? But it worked out because I just sat next to the person selling kolaches. It wasn’t good for my profits because every dollar I made, I just bought a kolache.
Rubik: I’m a little more responsible now with my business, so good lesson learned.
John: Right. Oh my goodness, that’s so good. I could just imagine your set up and you’re like, “I don’t know what’s going on.” Everyone’s got a full pop-up store and you’re almost the homeless man that’s just selling whatever’s in your shopping cart. What the hell, man? No, but that’s great though because it’s more genuine and authentic. That’s great because it’s that target niche and then you go in and you hit it. Then you’re like, okay, this can be a thing. They didn’t even know that they were guinea pigs in a big experiment.
Rubik: Oh, yeah, and they had no idea the book stuff was going on in the background, so that was kind of further validation for me. If I can get people to buy these cards, let’s do this book. I just got to finish it and figure out how to get it into a printed book format, which was another process. But it was definitely a good, motivational stepping stone for me to get over that first hump and then get that proof of concept, and then motivate me to keep going with it.
John: Yeah. Was there a part of you that ever thought — because I would imagine that not a lot of people knew that you had this going or that this was an idea of yours or whatever, maybe a couple of coworkers or maybe no one. But was there a part of you that was like, “They’re going to judge me” or “This isn’t what a principal does in accounting firms” or something like that?
Rubik: For sure, yeah. There was definitely a part of it. Everyone can always say, “Oh, I’m busy. I’m busy. I don’t have time to do this stuff,” which if you really are passionate about it — a lot of this stuff I would do 11 o’clock at night. It’s late at night on the weekends or whatever, so it’s not like it’s a day-to-day thing. But there was always that concern of, well, okay, if I’m doing this, should I be spending more time on these other things related to my job? Is someone going to judge me for that? That was always something that I was initially worried about. But then we get that email that says, “Hey, everyone, let’s have a Market Day. Bring in all your stuff.” It was a really easy way for me to be like, well, they want me to do this. Let me see who else is out there coming out with this stuff, so it was a good event, I thought, to help people come out there.
John: And kudos on the firm because we’re so permission-based. That basically gave you the permission to be like, hey, this is what I’m doing. How important do you think it is to have something outside of work as opposed to just spend more time doing work?
Rubik: Very. I’ve worked for people who I feel like didn’t have that thing outside of work to get them out of the office. I feel like for me initially, a lot of the stuff I do outside of work, it’s through professional organizations and volunteer efforts I can do through there. But then just having those things outside of work to pull me away from the PC and pull me onto the Mac to be able to work on other things, it’s really important. I feel like it just helps you grow, helps keep you happy, helps keep you grow in other areas that you might not get through your normal day-to-day.
John: Yeah, it’s just that unplug. For you, like you said, away from the computer, the work computer, and onto the creative computer, if you will, the non-Excel one. So even if you wanted to do Excel, you couldn’t, but that’s so great, just to unplug a little bit. There are plenty of studies done on more work doesn’t equal better output.
John: Especially something that’s so different and it’s more that creative because with me doing internal audit and merger acquisition work and then doing standup comedy, I enjoy the creative because you can’t really get creative a lot in the accounting side or you’re not supposed to.
Rubik: You’re not supposed to. You can. There are penalties and repercussions you may face if caught.
John: Then on the other side, if you’re not creative then that’s when the penalties happen, or figuratively. So it was just nice for both sides of my brain to be able to just exercise that, but it’s cool to hear, like you said earlier, of those examples of where it does apply to work.
It’s not just nothing at all type of a thing. I love that example from Briggs & Veselka. How much do you think it is on an organization to lead that charge and encourage people to share those outside-of-work interests versus how much is it on the individual to be willing to bring in their crafts and things to share or even just talk about it?
Rubik: Right. I think it goes to the organization’s culture. If they have an openness to it, it really goes down to making sure people can have a life outside of work. If the organization is just stressing billable hours and wanting everyone to be present and be in the office all the time, that puts a damper on anything you can do outside of work. So I think that’s one big picture element of it. But then also just having people, mentors and managers within your team that encourage it as well, I feel like that plays a big role as well.
John: Yeah, because it actually just speaks to the framework or the organization as a whole. Also, people can’t have anything to share if you don’t give them time to go do the thing to talk about. There’s actually another step before that that they need to be doing as well, which is a really great point. No wonder you’re a principal. Let’s do it, man. I like that. You’re right. “Hey, everybody, share what you’re talking about.” Well, we don’t have time to do anything to share, so that would defeat the purpose.
Rubik: Well, work more efficiently then you’ll have time to do it.
John: Right. Okay. Yeah. Exactly, or you work more efficiently and then we just give you more work to do.
Rubik: There you go.
John: Because you’re so good at it, and it’s like, “No, no.” That’s such a great example. Is there anything else that you’ve seen in your working world to encourage people to share those outside-of-work interests?
Rubik: It’s funny. When I was in the office, you walk around and you see different people’s offices. You see something in their office that you can automatically connect with and you’re like, “Oh, hey, you went to…” I went to the University of Houston, so if I see someone with the U of H anything, I’m like, “Oh, hey! Going to the game?” or “Yeah, what’s up with the basketball team?” I feel like that always helps with being able to see people just express themselves a little bit. A lot of people have the standard college stuff, but then I’ve seen some people have different things, little gadgets, little trinkets, Legos, all kinds of things that you look at it and you’re like, “Oh, yeah, this person wants me to talk to them and ask them about this thing that they’re bringing in to express themselves. I think this is okay. I think I’m allowed to do this.”
John: Right. That’s such a great thing of just having something in your office. It’s not shouting from the rooftops. It’s not bragging. It’s not looking for attention. It’s something that brings you joy looking at it, number one, but number two, it’s an invitation to people to ask me about this, if you would like. Then that just creates a real conversation as opposed to just work-related talk and then I’m leaving. It opens that door. I imagine it has to grease the wheels a little bit for camaraderie and teamwork.
Rubik: Well, and a little more interesting conversation aside from the normal, “So how is the weekend?” “I’m going to block out the next 20 seconds.” “Oh, cool. So here’s what we’ve got going on this week.”
John: Right. “Well, my cat got run over by a truck.” “Okay. Anyway, we got work to do.” It’s like, what? No, I just said the worst possible thing ever. “Anyway, we got work.”
Rubik: “If you want to buy a new cat, we’ve got to bill some hours, so let’s get on this so the client pays us.”
John: Right. That’s for sure happened. We’re laughing about it, but it’s for sure happened. It might be your next book, I don’t know.
Rubik: It’s a little morbid for children. I’ll have to see. Greeting cards are better, greeting cards for adults. I can be a little more naughty in some of the jokes on there versus the children’s book.
John: It’s almost like — I just imagined almost like a Far Side like when I was younger. That was my go to, Far Side and Mad Magazine and stuff like that. That explains why I’m here where I am today. This has been awesome, Rubik. Do you have any words of encouragement for people listening that think that their hobby or passion has nothing to do with their job or no one’s going to care?
Rubik: You never know. You automatically think no one’s going to care, but you’d be surprised. Everyone has some kind of interest outside of work and it can be very different from totally non-accounting-related. You just never know until you ask them. I’m really hoping that people get more open about sharing their outside-of-work hobbies and don’t have that fear because like you said, it really leads to more interesting conversation. You can have a lot more fun if I’m checking in with a co-worker, saying, “Hey, how’s that hobby going? Where are you at on it?” You really have a much stronger connection with them as a result of that, so it’s really mutually beneficial for being able to see — for me, I’m able to see okay, these people care about me, but then it also gives me an opportunity to express an interest and it just makes you feel good.
John: That’s so perfect. As a leader, a leadership role, it just shows some genuine interest in the people around you. It’s huge because we forget what it’s like to be 22 to 23 coming out of school and then a principal. What are you, invincible? Do you know everything? So when you’re like, “I like to do greeting cards and make a children’s book,” it’s like, oh, he’s a real person. That’s neat. That’s really cool.
Rubik: I don’t know what 22-year-old me would have thought of 35-year-old me if I would have said that. It’s like, oh, yeah, 35-year-old me, I do greeting cards. 22-year-old me would have probably judged, but I don’t know. I probably would have gotten over it.
John: But it’s a good example to show you can have other things and still be successful.
Rubik: Yeah. Maybe 22-year-old me would have been more cool with it if someone would share those experiences rather than just worrying about, “Hey, so where’s happy hour this Friday?”
John: Yeah, exactly, or golf or more work. There are other sides to that and that’s really neat. Before I wrap this up though, it’s only fair that I turn the tables and allow you to question me, so we’ll make this The Rubik Podcast. Welcome to the first episode. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. So whatever questions you’ve got, let them rip.
Rubik: Okay. John, are you ready?
Rubik: Favorite holiday of the year?
John: Oh, favorite holiday. I’m going to go Tax Day because it’s also my birthday, April 15th.
Rubik: Oh my gosh, you are an accountant. Oh, man. I could make a special accounting tax day/busy season/birthday card for you.
John: Exactly. It would have all of the things. It would be a trifold. It would have to have —
Rubik: Oh yeah. I’d charge double for it, for sure. Funny card or sappy cards?
John: Oh, funny card.
Rubik: Oh, thank goodness.
John: Yeah. If you’re going to send a card — I don’t know. I used to actually — I’m not huge on the cards because I didn’t write it, so I don’t really mean it because somebody else wrote these words. My mom especially, very big into cards, and my grandmother as well. So for holidays, I would give them the blank inside cards. So it’s got, for Christmas, a picture of a volcano and then it’s blank on the inside. Then on the back, I would just write, “Love, John.” My kids, if you wanted a card, you got a card. The message is not from me, so blank inside. There you go. But funny cards for sure.
Rubik: Perfect. I’m going to take a guess that you’re a fan, but favorite Weird Al song.
John: Oh, wow, so many, but I’m going to have to go — oh, man, he is a genius. I’m going to have to go — I believe it was 3rd Grade talent show elementary school. It might have been 4th Grade. It was 4th Grade, 4th Grade talent show. We did, “Like a Surgeon”. One of my buddies, there were three of us — or four because one of them was the person getting operated on. At the very end, one of my friends — his mom was a nurse, so we got these giant syringes, almost like turkey baster syringes without the needle, of course. At the very end, we squirted the whole audience with water. It was great, but yeah, “Like a Surgeon,” that one’s hilarious to me. There are the newer ones, too, but that’s the one that just came to mind right away just because of that talent show, which we won.
Rubik: Well, I would imagine. Everyone’s terrified enough. They’re like, well, this is the most memorable one where I’m going home with a souvenir. I got —
John: There was no talent at all on that stage. When we were doing our piece, it was just pure funny and just silly. When you’ve got a bunch of elementary school kids voting, that’s what you go with.
Rubik: I’m impressed that as a ten-year-old or so that you guys were able to nail that. I’m sure you got all the lyrics and everything.
John: Oh, I’m sure not, but it was close.
Rubik: I’m sure there were some teachers that were mortified a little bit like, “Are they singing the parody or the real song?”
John: Right. This isn’t Madonna. I had the record — I mean, the albums, Weird Al albums. I was a huge fan of Weird Al still to this day. He’s great. That’s where my music parodies are inspired by, for sure. You know Weird Al. He’s the OG on that.
Rubik: He is, yeah. I used to want to be Weird Al, but then I could never sing.
John: It’s the accordion that gets me, too. He’s just so good at it. It’s like, man. Yeah, singing as well. I’m a lip syncer, that’s for sure. That’s cool, man. Well, thank you so much for being a part of What’s Your “And”? Rubik, this has been really, really fun.
Rubik: Yeah. Thanks for having me, John. I really enjoyed it.
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Jeannie is a Marketing Director & Author
Jeannie Ruesch talks about her early discovery of her passion for writing stories and how it goes together with her career as a marketing director! She also talks about the importance of being authentic and vulnerable both in the office and as an author!
• Getting into writing
• Publishing her first book
• Bridging authenticity and vulnerability
• How her career in marketing and writing interleave each other
• Talking about her writing in the office
• How both an organization and an individual play a part in workplace culture
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Welcome to Episode 301 of What’s Your “And”? This is John Garrett, and each Wednesday, I interview a professional who, just like me, is known for a hobby or a passion or an interest outside of work. To put it another way, it’s encouraging people to find their “And”, the things above and beyond their technical skills, the things that actually differentiate them when they’re in the office.
I’m so excited to let everyone know that my book’s being published in September. It’ll be available on Amazon, Indigo, Bookshop and a few other websites, so check out whatsyourand.com for all the details. I can’t say how much it means that everyone’s listening to the show and changing the cultures where they work because of it, and the book will really help to spread this message.
Please don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast so you don’t miss any of the future episodes. I love sharing such interesting stories each and every week, and this week is no different with my guest, Jeannie Ruesch. She’s a marketing director for Bill.com, and now she’s with me here today. Jeannie, thanks so much for taking time to be with me on What’s Your “And”?
Jeannie: Thanks for having me, John. I’m excited to be here.
John: Oh, no, this is going to be so much fun, so much fun. I have my 17 rapid-fire questions, get to know Jeannie, right out of the box. Here we go. Start you with a simple one here, favorite color.
John: Blue, all right, mine too. How about a least favorite color?
Jeannie: Orange, which I probably shouldn’t say.
John: That’s nothing to do with anything. How about pens or pencils?
Jeannie: Pens, lots of them.
John: Oh, there you go. Okay, all right. How about puzzles, Sudoku or crossword?
Jeannie: Neither. I like the regular piece-them-together puzzles on the desk.
John: Jigsaw, okay, okay.
Jeannie: Oh, yeah, that’s the word.
John: That works. How about a favorite actor or actress?
Jeannie: Tom Selleck.
John: Wow, blast from the past.
Jeannie: Yep, he’s my favorite.
John: That’s a great answer. There you go. How about a TV show that you’ve binge watched?
Jeannie: Most recently, Sweet Magnolia is on Netflix. It’s fantastic.
John: Oh, yeah, that’s a new one.
Jeannie: Really good, yeah, highly recommend it.
John: All right, would you say you’re more of an early bird or a night owl?
Jeannie: Oh, I’m definitely a night owl. Mornings are not my strength at all.
John: Right, perfect. How about Star Wars or Star Trek?
Jeannie: I am a Star Trek person. Not that I don’t like Star Wars, just so nobody can get offended, but I’m much more of a Star Trek fan.
John: Okay, all right. Fair enough, fair enough. For your computers, more of a PC or a Mac?
Jeannie: PC, 100%.
John: Yeah, me too. I don’t even know how to —
Jeannie: My husband and I have multiple arguments about this because he’s a Mac guy.
John: Oh, wow. That’s, yeah.
Jeannie: And we’re still married, yeah.
John: What’s your secret?
Jeannie: That’s because he likes Star Trek too.
John: Oh, there you go. There you go. That’s the real denominator right there. All right, how about on your mouse, right click or left click?
Jeannie: It’s probably backwards because I’m left-handed so my mouse is flipped.
John: Oh, wow, fancy.
Jeannie: I’m fancy, yes.
John: So both of them.
Jeannie: Pretty much, yeah, whichever one works, yeah.
John: That’s impressive. Okay, how about, do you have a favorite band or musician?
Jeannie: I’d say probably Garth Brooks has always been one of my favorites, love his voice. Along the same lines, also a big Frank Sinatra fan.
John: Okay, there you go. Also great performers.
Jeannie: Mm-hmm, incredible.
John: Very cool. Now, since you’re in marketing, I have to ask, digital or print.
Jeannie: Digital but I still think there’s a place for both.
John: Yeah, well, especially print, if done right, the texture, it can come alive there; but, yeah, digital definitely can get a lot more people.
Jeannie: Given the reason I’m on here, it would be a little odd to say no to print.
John: Exactly. How about cats or dogs?
Jeannie: Dogs, like the ones sleeping and snoring behind me while we talk.
John: There you go. There you go. I’ve got four more. Would you say, do you have a favorite number?
Jeannie: Five. Don’t ask me why. I have no idea. It’s just always been my favorite number since I was a little kid.
John: That’s a great answer. How about a favorite adult beverage?
Jeannie: I’m pretty much a red wine person, pretty simple.
John: Don’t ask you why, ever since you were a kid. No, I’m just kidding.
Jeannie: Yeah, ever since I was a kid, yeah, one of my favorites.
John: I’m teasing. All right, more oceans or mountains.
Jeannie: Ocean, by far.
John: Yeah. Okay, and the last one now, the favorite thing you have or the favorite thing you own.
Jeannie: Probably my laptop because I can do pretty much anything that I want to do, work or hobby-wise, on it.
John: Yeah, exactly, which leads right into the writing. Is writing something that you actually, since you were a kid, something that you did, or was it something that you got more into as you became an adult?
Jeannie: Nope, I actually started writing when I was about six years old, and I remember the day really clearly. I was working on a story for Sunday school, I think, or school or something along those lines, and I remember when I finished the end. I actually put The End, in sixth grade, squirrelly letters at the very end of the paper, big huge letters. I remember finishing that and being really, really excited, running down the hallway to show my parents what I’d done. Ever since then, it just kind of created a bug.
So, writing, I think when I was eight, I wanted to be the greatest novelist ever which, at my age at that time, pretty much meant Dr. Seuss, but I moved above that a little bit, even though he probably is still the greatest novelist ever. So, it’s been something I’ve wanted to do ever since I was a little kid, and it stuck.
John: That’s super cool because that’s something that — I mean, I guess I was creative like that, but at some point, I don’t know. I guess you just lose it or whatever, so, good for you. I think that’s fantastic that it stayed with you. Clearly the bug was bigger and badder than mine was.
Jeannie: Yeah, it definitely stuck. I think in seventh grade is when I wrote my first book.
Jeannie: It was handwritten on legal size pages, about 150, front and back. I spent a lot of time in my English class writing that book. My English teacher, I remember this, came up to me at one point, realizing I was paying no attention to what she was talking about in class at all. She came up and finally asked what I was doing. I showed her what I was doing. She just stared at me for a few minutes, and she goes, “I’m not even sure how I can tell you to stop doing that right now, so just do what you’re going to do.”
Jeannie: Her reaction was hilarious. So, I spent a good portion of seventh grade English class, writing that book and finishing that book.
John: That’s incredible. I’m getting ready to be the greatest author of all time. Can you stop interrupting?
Jeannie: Exactly. I don’t need English to learn how to write a book. Come on, people.
John: Right. Exactly, exactly. I did this in sixth grade. That was last year. That’s super cool though. That’s really awesome, and then how you just kept doing it. I would imagine that it’s one of those where — I mean, me, writing this book has been the most daunting thing I’ve ever done, by far. I’ve heard that just more iterations that you do, the better you get at it. So, you were just getting those 1,000 hours in, in elementary school, which is fantastic.
Jeannie: I definitely started early. The very first book that I published, it took me, from the time I started writing it to the time I finished, was probably six to seven years. A big part of that was because I was doing exactly what you said. I was writing and then I was researching and finding more information and joining groups and joining critique groups and going to conferences and taking workshops and reading articles and learning as much as I could about the craft of writing. Which was amazing to learn there is an actual craft which means you can be taught and you can get better, which is phenomenal.
So, I spent a lot of time really focusing in on how to improve that book. For whatever reason, most people will tell you, they finished the first book. It’s usually terrible, and they’ll just keep moving on. I was determined to get that book published. So, I kept rewriting it and rewriting it. I think at one point, I probably trashed about 250 pages and went back and rewrote 250 pages and then kept going. So, technically, it’s probably not the original version of the book. It’s a different version of the book. Eventually, that book did get published by a small press.
John: Which is huge, congratulations, I mean, just to finish that, six to seven-year project to stay committed to. Part of it is that inner critic and then letting other people criticize it or whatever and then eventually — I have a friend that — there was an author maybe 100 years ago or so that had a quote that was like, books are never finished, they’re just abandoned. I was like, mine is definitely abandoned because it’s just like, you know what? It is done.
Jeannie: You have to let it go at some point. You have to put the pen down and all of the pens down, and you have to just stop, and you have to stop rereading it too. That’s the other thing that I’ve learned. Once you’ve decided it’s done, you’ve sent it out to the world, to your editor, they’ve agreed to publish it, it’s gone. You just have to leave it be. I remember — I don’t remember where I heard this quote, but it always stuck with me, is that once a book has been published, it’s no longer yours. It belongs to the readers.
John: There you go.
Jeannie: To me, that means a lot because it’s basically saying, I’ve put out the best book I can, and I put out a book I believed in and I wrote from my heart. Once it’s ready, and it’s done, and the publisher agrees to it; or if I’m the publisher, if I’m doing self-publishing, my editor has agreed to it; then I put it out in the world. It’s for the readers to decide how it fits into their lives. That helps me a lot, just separate from that and try really, really hard to stay away from review pages.
John: Yeah. Right. Exactly, exactly. That’s so powerful right there because I wrote the book kind of for me but for the readers. After that, then it’s like, I kind of care what you think, but I kind of don’t because I did what I thought was the best. This is what I wanted to create. If you like it, awesome. If you don’t like it, equally awesome. That’s the hard part, I think, for a lot of us with these hobbies and passions is that we’ve got to remind ourselves that we’re doing it for us. That’s why you’re doing it. You’re not competing against other people. You’re competing against yourself, I guess, which is hard to remember.
Jeannie: I’m a believer that we have a voice, and we have a unique story to tell, in a specific way that we want to tell it, and there is an audience for that. I’m also a believer that not everybody is your audience, as evidenced by some of my previous reviews. I did find people who were not my audience too, but that’s a part of the game. That’s a part of putting out your work. That’s a part of putting out a piece of your heart.
I think Ernest Hemingway is the one that says, “Writing a book is easy. You just open your pain and write.” That’s horrible imagery, for sure, but it is very true. You’re giving a very vulnerable piece of yourself in everything that you write. That’s the only way you can do it. I think that’s the only way that we can write something that’s authentic and real.
John: Yeah, that’s really deep actually. It also kind of dovetails with this podcast where it is, the more vulnerable you are then the stronger your connections are. Is that a fair way to say it?
Jeannie: I think so. I think we hear about the word authenticity a lot, especially in marketing. I think it’s a huge buzzword that everyone kind of rolls their eyes around, but I think that vulnerability is a big piece of being authentic. It’s a big part of being who you are and letting that out into the world.
It’s funny because I’ve been working in the Accounting industry for about seven years, I think. I previously started at the Sleeter Group then I moved over to Xero, and now I’m at Bill.com, so I’ve been around these amazing people for quite some time. But when I first joined and I first started digging into and becoming a part of this community, I felt like I had to keep that side of my business or that side of my personality separate.
I remember because I had a Twitter handle and Facebook handle and whatever things were available at that time, might have been Myspace. I don’t remember. It might have been Myspace. I felt like I had to create separate identities, one for the author and me, specifically because I would write romantic fiction which is not necessarily something that you would think would connect very well on the accounting side. I felt I had to keep these identities separate.
I remember at one point I had a separate Twitter handle, a separate Facebook page, a separate this, a separate that, for all of these things. It was so exhausting trying to remember. Can I post this here? Do I post that there? What will they think of this? What will they think of that? Eventually, I just started realizing that, for me, what it meant to be authentic and being vulnerable was finding a way to bridge all of that together. You can do that while still putting out the brand of who you want your personal brand to feel and be like, but it doesn’t have to just be a compartmentalized brand. It should be all of you, and it can be all of you.
I remember the very first time I posted, because I also watch silly shows like soap operas, General Hospital and things like that. They’re just really good with this television. I remember the first time that I decided to combine everything, one of the things that I posted on my now newly combined Twitter handle with my accountant audience, with the book audience, with everyone, was about General Hospital. I remember hitting the button going, oh, my god, I can’t believe I just did that. Then immediately, someone in my account audience was like, oh, wow, I used to watch that show. What’s going on? So, it was just that really quick reminder that, yeah, you can be who you are. You can bridge all of these pieces of yourself to be just you, in one place.
John: No, I love that, and I love that affirmation where you throw it out there. You hit post and then swallow your heart and then think everyone’s going to unfriend me. I’m going to get fired. It’s the opposite, immediate, people are like, wow, that’s awesome. What’s going on, type of thing, which is really cool.
Jeannie: It was a nice way to complement, for lack of a better term, just making that decision to bridge everything together. I’m still careful with what I post. I still believe that I want my brand out there to be a positive one. So, in whatever it is that I’m talking about, I’m trying to maintain that positivity, but I will talk about just about anything. Number one, it’s a lot easier. I don’t have to have separate Twitter handles and Facebook pages. One is plenty to keep up with, much less, three.
John: Exactly, and passwords to remember and all that other nonsense.
Jeannie: Yeah, it was exhausting.
John: I agree. Yeah, and the research that I’ve done and actually part of the book is just talking, when I speak even at conferences, is just explaining to people, defining professional is really hard, but defining unprofessional is a lot easier. If you’re interrupting other people’s ability to do their job, then that’s unprofessional, up to that point. You don’t share everything, everything, but for the most part, most of it applies, so why not? You love watching soap operas. You write these amazing books. It’s like, these are parts of who I am as a person, and there’s no reason for people not to think that’s cool, which is, I think, is great.
Jeannie: I think that we also find ourselves, and I know I have been too, surprised when the different perspectives come together in some way. Even with the soap operas, as silly as that is, I wrote an article because I remember about marketing and brand marketing lessons that you could learn from a soap opera fan base because of some of the activity that I was seeing around this specific actress on one of the soaps and the way that the fans were responding to her and what they were doing to promote her and to promote the causes that she worked for. It was just such a really good example of how you build a community. So, I realized, well, there are connections here, between this, between marketing and all sorts of different things.
Even in my books, as much as I am not an accountant, I market to accountants very differently. The last book I published, the third book, the character in the third book, the hero character, the man was an art forger who forged banknotes, so, a little bit of that. This is obviously historically set novel. The fourth book that I’m working on now, in the same series, the character actually would have been — she’s female in the Regency era which is about 1820, in London, England. They didn’t really have professions at that time. Women didn’t have professions, mostly. She would have been an accountant and a small business owner.
When I started writing that story, and realizing what was bubbling up as her character, it just made me laugh because it was such a cross connection with all of the people that I have met as accountants and what I’ve seen from them and their entrepreneurship and everything, and it just built itself naturally into my fiction, even when I wasn’t planning it.
John: That’s fantastic, yeah, because I was going to say, does some of the writing translate over into the job? I mean, it sounds like the job definitely, subconsciously, is translating over into the writing. How about the other way around?
Jeannie: Yeah, it’s definitely, subconsciously, transferring itself into my fiction. That’s for sure. I think the fiction side has made me a better storyteller. If you’re in marketing or you’re seeing the buzzwords in marketing, how important storytelling is in marketing, but I think that what it’s taught me is a lot of things of how to tell a better story. What are the pieces that are required, how you set up a story, how you show that journey, how you show conflict and turmoil and resolve that in some way, and being able to take that and translate to a customer experience or to translate to a story that a brand is telling. I will say, when I started on both of these careers, younger, I had no idea how much they would come to inform each other and how much they would come to share pieces that helps me understand on both sides.
John: I love that. That’s so awesome. Yeah, and it’s something that, until I asked that question, maybe it never dawned on you; or after we started talking, of course, did; but it’s one of those things where you’re just doing them independent and then you don’t realize that it’s impossible to keep them separate. It really is.
Jeannie: And they complement each other really well. I think most authors that I’ve talked to, or writers, hate marketing, so I have a leg up in that aspect. Even though I’m still not the greatest at marketing myself as an author, the irony is hilarious, but I know how to do it. I just don’t always take the time to do it. So, the two pieces, they really do, they inform a lot on each other, and they have a lot to do with finding success on either side.
Even one of the nonfiction books that I’m working on right now is about the writer’s voice, and in that book, I’m using marketing exercises to help a writer uncover the reasons why they write, what they want to be, what their voice is, what their message is out to the world, what matters to them. So, even in that flip side, taking pieces of marketing and the way that we use marketing work to discover a brand, to discover a brand’s why, all of those things that you hear there, you can take those same exercises and flip them back the other way. It’s very symbiotic.
John: Yeah, that’s exactly it. Because it’s just like the writer wanting to write something, it’s the company wanting to tell that story. It’s the parallel there, which is really awesome. Is the fiction writing something that you share with coworkers, on occasion?
Jeannie: I do when asked.
John: Okay, okay.
Jeannie: It’s not something that I generally talk about. I’ve actually had a few coworkers recently send me a text or a slack and say, “Hey, I happened to Google you for some reason, and I didn’t realize you wrote books. How did I not know that?” I remember when I started at Bill a couple of years ago, one of my coworkers there, she had Googled me, just getting to know me as I was fairly new, and found the books. She told me after she had already bought the books and read them.
John: Okay, that’s great.
Jeannie: Fortunately, she likes them, or she at least told me that she likes them because she keeps asking me for the next one. Generally, yeah, most of the time, I’ll talk about it if someone asks, but I generally, yeah, I don’t know, I don’t really share all that much on that side.
John: Right. Well, it’s also obnoxious if it’s just from a bullhorn, where, hey, you want to buy the book? Hey, buy the book. Hey, I wrote a book. Hey, hey, I wrote a book.
Jeannie: Yeah. By the way, I wrote a book. No, I wrote three books. You want to go buy them?
John: So, when I was writing my third book —
Jeannie: Yeah, exactly.
John: What are you talking about? We’re talking about coffee.
Jeannie: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it’s like, how do you just slip that into conversation? So, I wrote a book. It has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.
John: Right, but I do love that you do share and that people found it, and they were even like, well, how did I not know? It’s like, well, because I hadn’t been on John’s podcast yet.
Jeannie: Yeah, exactly. Now everybody’s going to know, yeah. See, it’s going to be all your fault.
John: Right, and then Amazon, through the roof. You get ready.
John: It’s a cool thing, and it’s an interesting thing that I think people lean into just to be like, oh, wow, tell me more. Or, I’m curious. What’s that about? I’m sure that you get some questions along those lines that are, just tell me more of that side of you, sort of a thing.
Jeannie: I do. A lot of times they’ll ask what prompted it, some of the same questions you’re asking today. When did you start writing? How do you write a book? How do you finish a book? Yeah.
John: Well, I’m saving you all this time.
Jeannie: You’re saving me all this time. Now I can just redirect everyone to John’s podcast and —
John: Right, exactly.
Jeannie: Yeah, I think that a lot of people think that writing a book is and, yes, it is very hard work, and it’s very consistent and committed work. I will definitely say that. But it is no more committed or consistent than any other established practice hobby that anyone else on your podcast has probably shared. One of my coworkers is a professional musician outside of what she does. It’s an amazing thing for me, and I respect that tremendously. So, I think that writing a book, yes, it is a lot of committed work, and it can take a long time, but I think it’s, as you said earlier, it’s just that practice and that constant learning and that commitment to keep moving forward, like any other hobby in that way.
John: That’s fantastic. It’s also cool that you work somewhere that you’re able to share those hobbies and passions because that’s not necessarily always the case. In the place that you’ve worked in the past, in general, how much do you feel like it’s on the organization to create that culture where, hey, we care about your outside-of-work interests and what are they and let’s share them; versus, how much is it on an individual to maybe just create that small circle amongst themselves and get the ball rolling that way?
Jeannie: I think it’s going to be a combination. Every person is going to decide for themselves how much of that they want to share. I can tend to be a fairly private person, which I know is very funny, given that I write fiction books and you can find my name on Amazon. I think it really depends on the individual person to figure out how much they’re comfortable sharing, how much they want to put out there.
I knew, when I used my own name for my books, which was really important to me because it was something I’d wanted since I was so young, I needed to see my name on those books’ covers, those book covers, that I knew that if someone Googled me for work purposes, interviews, coworkers, whatever it might be, that’s what would pop up. That was something that I expected.
I think that organizations can, any place that you work, if you’re able to create a community or a way where people feel like they can be themselves, they can share these other parts of themselves, that it just makes a better culture. I think any company that has the ability to do that, that has the ability to celebrate what makes us unique and different, and celebrate the things that we are, outside of what we do, eight to five, that it just makes us more connected to each other. It builds a stronger community within the culture, and I think it just creates a better relationship with the company, overall.
John: That’s awesome. That’s so cool to hear in your words because I agree wholeheartedly, and it’s cool to hear that that’s been your experience as well. If only you had been able to be Jeannie Seuss on your book covers then.
Jeannie: Exactly. It would have been so much better but then everyone would have expected all my books to rhyme, so that could have been bad.
John: Right, so we got to go back to the drawing board.
Jeannie: I would not be very authentic.
John: Jeannie Ruesch works just as well. That’s super cool, and just see your name on a book, that is pretty exciting.
Jeannie: It’s pretty awesome. I will say that it’s a good feeling to see it published, to know that I’ve done both the publishing with a publisher and also self-publishing. The third book that I had out, I self-published myself. The first one, I published with a small press. The second one, I published with a digital press named Carina Press. It’s part of Harlequin. So, I’ve done the small, the larger and the self-publishing. I’ve done all three, but they all have that feeling. Once the book is done, and it’s ready, and it’s out, and you get the — go back to your digital versus print — the print copy that I get in my hands is a pretty amazing feeling.
John: That’s so awesome, so awesome. Do you have any words of encouragement to others that are listening that have a hobby or a passion that they feel like has nothing to do with their job or no one’s going to care?
Jeannie: I think people are going to care about you. If they look at their hobby, or they say, oh, it doesn’t really matter, it doesn’t have anything to do with my job; but it does build who you are. With most people that I’ve seen that have hobbies, whether short-term or long-term, it helps to create the person that you are. I’m also a believer that we have to have something more than just work because that’s what builds a life rather than just work.
I find that having that hobby, having that passion and that enjoyment for something else helps me break away and gives me a chance to think of something different, put a different perspective on things and then come back to work refreshed as well. So, I think that’s really important. I would encourage anybody, if they’re comfortable with it, again, it has to be their choice, but don’t shy away from sharing who you are, even if it just means sharing a silly tweet on Twitter about a TV show that you like.
John: Right, there you go.
Jeannie: You’d be surprised at the ways that we build communities because even if it’s a coworker to coworker, we’re still human beings. We all like different things, and a lot of those things will be the same too.
John: I love it. That’s so fantastic. Before we wrap this all up, it’s only fair that I let you now be the host of the show. You can now rapid-fire question me. Now it’s the Jeannie Ruesch Show, everybody.
Jeannie: All right.
John: Here we go, all right.
Jeannie: You’re in trouble now, John.
John: I know. I really am. I should sit down.
Jeannie: Yeah. Well, you stole some of my questions, so I might ask you some of the same ones back. The first one, what’s your favorite snack?
John: Ooh, favorite snack, oh, wow. Chocolate chip cookies, homemade chocolate chip cookies, really good homemade chocolate — they’re soft but not like gross soft. Yeah, that’s probably going to be my favorite. Yeah, it’s nothing healthy. It’s going to be chocolate cake or donuts or, I don’t know, M&M, Peanut M&M’s. I don’t know. I can keep going.
Jeannie: I’m sensing a chocolate theme here. Chocolate everything, I get it. Yeah, got it.
Jeannie: Are you a morning or a night person?
John: You know, I guess, between the two, I would probably say a night owl. Although I’m probably more focused in the 8 to 12 range, I’m probably more focused, but definitely staying up later. I guess maybe it’s from my comedy days. I don’t know. Plus, I don’t have kids that wake me up at the crack of dawn either, so, probably night owl.
Jeannie: How about best invention ever?
John: Oh, wow.
Jeannie: I don’t ask rapid-fire questions, do I? Maybe I didn’t get the point of this.
John: This is deep. How about an oven to make chocolate chip cookies, does that count?
Jeannie: That counts, yeah.
John: Or an ice cream maker that you can do at home because that’s also high on my list. I don’t know if it’s the best invention ever, but it sounds pretty appropriate right now.
Jeannie: What’s the last TV show you watched?
John: Last TV show was… Yeah, what was it? I guess, Billions, I’m trying to catch up on Billions. It’s on HBO, I think, or Showtime rather, sorry, Showtime.
Jeannie: One of the many channels out there.
John: Right, yeah. Just trying to catch up on that because I heard people talking about that, so, yeah, it’s the last show I watched.
Jeannie: Your last question, what is your favorite cartoon character?
John: Favorite cartoon character, probably, it’s going to be a close one, is probably Woody Woodpecker. I don’t know why. He’s just ridiculous.
Jeannie: He is ridiculous.
John: ″Heh-heh-heh-HEHHHH-heh!″ He’s just going around making mischief everywhere. Yeah, probably Woody Woodpecker. Tom and Jerry is a close second. I don’t know why.
So, there you go. Well, Jeannie, this has been so much fun having you be a part of What’s Your “And”? Thank you so much for taking time to be here.
Jeannie: Thank you so much for having me. I had a great time.
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